Post by goldenratio on Jan 3, 2019 8:45:48 GMT -5
The NFL is moving away from pocket passing and towards Patrick Mahomes. Whichever QB the Giants chose to replace Eli must be mobile. It would be a plus to know the RPO system but just being able to buy a few seconds here is all we are asking. When you are looking through the various candidates remember that they must be mobile. Haskins can run and some think he could be made into a very mobile guy... but it's against his nature. What Haskins does do well is step up into the pocket that works when you have a very good offensive line. Which we don't.
I watched several games this year with Daniel Jones of Duke. There is no doubt to me that he has all the tools neccisary to be the next NY Giant Quarterback. I also watched a lot of Pitt and have a good feeling for their QB Will Grier.
I feel Jones ticks a lot of boxes fro the Giants.
A) He's white. I only half kid here, I don't know the real inside feelings of the Mara's but I do wonder if they would be willing to turn over the QB position to an African American.
B) He' tough as nails. Daniel got the bejesus knocked out of him this season, I saw him take some big hits. It seems Duke's offensive line is more closely resembling the Giants than Ohio States. Early in the college season Jones missed two games due to a fractured clavicle in his non-throwing shoulder. Those stats missed in those games- I think would tick over Daniels in every category the Giants look at: completion %, accuracy, TD's etc. The kids recovery time was sick. Duke head coach David Cutcliffe said. “He’s a tough young man, so he has actually put on pads and gone through practice. He’s no-contact, obviously, but he’s gaining his confidence back. He’s moving well. He’s running well. So it’s hard to say. We’re still indefinite, but our medical people are absolutely amazed at what he’s doing."
Nine days recovery time post surgery. That's impressive.
Daniel Jones is far from perfect and I think we would be over drafting him... but that also means we have 100% chance of him being there when we select. In my view of all the QB's available in this draft, the one with the most room to grow the one that will improve the most is Daniel Jones. I say that because early on when he was not thought of highly 2 star recruit kind of a grey shirt walk on the way they do things at Duke... not a lot of people were excited. then an injury to the starter he takes the reigns and never gives them back.. -- That's a little Tom Brady. There I said it. I'll be the first. This kid reminds me of Brady.
Jones has a quick release. He is very good at throwing people open. Not so good at one of our favorite NYG patterns the slant. I've noticed he needs work on that. Hitting someone in stride in the bread basket. Overall though, Jones is accurate as heck. On the long ball Jones was initially doubted early on this was supposed to be his trouble area. Not so! Massive improvement to the point where some Scouts say he has the best long ball in this draft. Jones throws the ball a bit differently than the others. His game is all about touch. He will arc a pass up there and touch it into your hands; very good touch on the long ball. it hits people in stride and just out of the reach of the defender. You know all Eli's long balls that take a while to get there and are a bit behind the receiver? You won't see any of that with Jones. He throws it high and it comes down on point. Improvement. That's what we look for. This kid has it in spades. Jones makes all the throw on the field save perhaps the one to the sidelines. Once again he's deadly accurate and has a good feel for throwing receivers open. Daniel has great feet. Jones really knows how to move around in that pocket. Jones extend plays.
Daniel does kind of guide or push the ball. Initially this turned me off but as I have watched more and more of him I have decided that he gets the darn job done. The heck with how it looks.
Size is a plus. Jones is a 6-5, 220-pound classically built NFL-style quarterback.
His coach. David Cutcliffe – the Manning family quarterback tutor – This is the part that gets me... Cutcliffe tutored both Mannings
and he has done a fine job with Jones. Honestly I feel Daniel is more of a mid to late round talent. In a normal year. When I first looked at this draft I was hoping for Round 2! But i quickly saw he would be in Round 1 but not top ten. Herbert dropping out has boosted Jone's stock. Is it artificial? Tough to say. I would think Gettleman could move back in the draft to allow someone else a shot at say Drew Lock... and then happily take Jones along with whatever he gets for moving back. We need bodies and if possible we should trade back this pick a few slots.
Duke runs a boring uninspiring offense under head coach David Cutcliffe that features a lot of run-run-pass-punt, third-and-long situations, and unsuccessful draw plays. Sound familiar? This kid is cut out to play NY Giant football. Duke had a really bad offensive line. Sound familiar? Receivers... they dropped a lot of balls.
One bugaboo I noticed is a penchant for rolling right and throwing on the run to the right-- This is not unusual, Eli too has a lot of trouble getting left but I didn't see a lot of film in which the Duke QB could get left shuffle or spin entirely and throw on the run wile running left. Tua can. That really opens up the field. Will Grier as well can do this trick but Jones rolls right. Is this a lack of hip flex?
or flip the hips? I don't know. Some scouts have said that Jone's short throws are the problem, accuracy on those maddening short throws that don't get us anywhere-- I'm fine moving away from al of that anyway. Lets just have a normal; passing game! 10 , 15 yards a pop. Once we get into the red zone you guys are going to love Jone's accuracy back shoulder throws and fade patterns. Once again he has touch.
Usually happy feet is a bad thing. You see a QB tip tapping and you say he's nervous not rooted, not planted.. Jones is not that way he tip taps and moves! His feet are active but his demeanor is calm. He climbs forward in the pocket moves right and left and feels the rush and never takes his eyes off the down field. This is a big plus. Jones doesn't pull it down and instantly run-- he's looking to throw.
Jones has made a ton of progress in his reads. Aside from the deep ball this has been the biggest improvement in his game.
Jones has the RPO offense down<-- Important to Shurmer. He now can yell out blocking assignments, shift protections and all of that at the line, he can do a full field progression look and go to his third alternative. That's light years ahead of some, including our own 2nd or 3rd string QB.
Jones is BIG & Mobile. That's nice combo you don't have to go to a little guy to be mobile. Some of my favorite college QB's Syracuse Ole' Miss they have these big guys who can really scoot. But those guys cannot give the complete package that Jones can. Is he ready? No!!! But he is also NO THREAT TO Eli I think they will; get along famously as they share a mentor. It will be so refreshing to eventually see a QB who can extend plays and make defenders miss with his legs. Obviously this is where the modern game is going and we want to be apart of that.
Drafting Jones gives us a pathway to future success and allows Eli to let his guard down and teach. Probably the most important line we got our of yesterdays news was Eli told Gettelaman what he was comfortable with and what he wasn't. That was a big clue. As in I'm comfy teaching this new kid from Duke but I'm not sitting behind anyone named Teddy. -! That Eli line really told us everything.
In my final assessment I am going to tell Gettelman to attempt to trade back and then Draft the Duke QB.~stoney
*In 2018, Jones completed 237 of 392 passes for 22 touchdowns and nine interceptions while rushing for 319 yards and three touchdowns on 104 attempts.
**NYG Biggest offseason needs per CBS
Quarterback
Offensive tackle
Cornerback
Safety
Outside linebacker
Guard/center
Inside linebacker
Hey stone. Tx for the write up. check out the report above. What sounds concerning is the lack of zip/velocity on the standard throws though. What did you think of what they said in that article?
