Long overdue IMO, but congrats anyway to the Young family. If you're a fan of the Giants from the 80's on,you don't know how important he was. The first Super Bowls, the "Giants way", etc. we fans owe everything to this man. My father used to call him 'Moses' as he led the Giants franchise out of the wilderness and into the promised land.
Post by stonedinvestor on Jan 16, 2020 16:02:49 GMT -5
Damn talk about burying the lead. This thread should be posted up at the very top of the page.
What a great honor. And for all GM's this is big. George was such an interesting person. Back in the day at pace University he saddled up to my Mom at a practice he rolled up in a golf cart and my Mom was writing then for Interview magazine Andy Warhol and they were doing a LT cover and she was doing a write up and wearing her silver Porsche racing jacket although she drove a Peugeot. And George and her started talking and they talked and talked and they exchange numbers and became great friends. Just like that. While I the true Giant fan sat in the stands.
Post by stonedinvestor on Jan 17, 2020 13:28:19 GMT -5
One of the funny things is George and Bill Parcels they had some differences in opinion. And George would rip Bill (and his dyed hair) in phone conversations with my Mom and in Bills first or second season George almost fired him. Around 1983. There was the famous Howard Schnellenberger rumor.
and the way it ended up is testament to George's good instincts-
"They had conversations," Giants co-owner John Mara said the other day. "It never materialized. George said something like, 'Let's give Bill another chance. Maybe I can get Schnellenberger next year.' "
This was the Beginning of everything and the difference in Bill Parcells the next year after he gotten a whiff of managements thinking... he came out a ball buster after that. he was actually nice his first year everyone forgets.. Our new HC can take a lesson in all of this and start out as the !984 Bill parcels and not the 1983 model.
"I think in '83, I was trying to be a head coach. In '84, I decided to be Bill Parcells," Bill told NFL.com. "And I kind of made a little promise with myself that I would try to do things my way, and I gave my best effort in that regard. And I really dispensed with the feelings of doing what a head coach was supposed to do."
Said Mara: "That experience changed him. Prior to that, he was a pretty easygoing, gregarious, friendly, personable guy. Starting in 1984, he was much more gruff, much more focused. He showed a little mean streak from time to time. He was a different guy, and it worked for him."
I'll always wish I could have seen the '81 to '86 seasons but I didn't get into football until 1988 when I was 13. Looking back at the Giants drafts in those years, they always drafted numerous offensive and defensive linemen. Always. And they always had a good offensive line and defensive line. Go figure. I don't know if that was Young or Parcells or both, but it sure worked. I'd love to return to that again. The years I watched the team, when Young was there, he was less impressive. He missed on a lot of draft picks, and he struggled badly with free agency. But I do understand how important he was to this franchise and I do think he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame.
Post by stonedinvestor on Jan 20, 2020 9:28:10 GMT -5
... you got me leagued.. I have a nice hot bath Im going to miss.
George Young was an incredible talent evaluator! Maybe because he was a teacher.
How It All Began- The Giants were purchased for $500.
-The Giants were founded 65 years ago by a Mara who had never seen an NFL game. This was the first Tim Mara, Wellington’s father and Tim’s grandfather, who was a 1920s New York bookmaker with offices at 42nd and Broadway.
When a mutual friend urged him in 1925 to put an NFL club in Manhattan, old Tim asked: “How much?”
“It’s a bit steep,” the friend said. “The league wants $500 for the franchise.”
As Wellington tells it, his father, who agreed instantly, commented: “An empty store is worth more than that in New York.”
That's magical folks... that's old New York and that's how we got our start.
“Great players like Simms and Taylor make average players look good,” Young once said. In essence he could of stopped right there with those two huge home runs.
“In pro football, you live a lifetime in one or two years,” Giant Coach Bill Parcells said. “You’re always rebuilding. The key is not to slip too far while you’re doing it.”
Wellington was a conservative NFL statesman in his 70s who oversaw the Giants at practice every day, in every kind of weather. He probably attended more practices than any other NFL owner.
Tim was a divorced New York playboy in his 50s who resembles actor Peter O’Toole. He attended most games but seldom came around in between.
Yet, it was Tim who put the Giants in the 1987 Super Bowl, and also put them where they are today, in position to win again and again.
He did this by demanding a veteran football man for general manager in a 1979 letter to Commissioner Pete Rozelle, the one outsider with the clout to mediate high-level disputes on pro clubs.
This is Hollywood stuff the playboy ultimately saw the light and the old fashioned arm of the family did not... Has this sort of happened again? With Tisch playing the roll of Tim?
“We were losing most of the time (in the 1970s), and I was tired of it,” Tim said at a recent Giant game. “People were burning tickets in the parking lots. Planes were flying over the stadium with signs that read, ’15 Years of Losing are Enough.’ I knew it didn’t have to be.”
At the time, Wellington, the Giants’ chief executive officer, was about to promote assistant general manager Terry Bledsoe, a former sportswriter with limited experience in NFL front offices. Instead he got George Young. That one move that one instant... it led to so much.
BUT IT's MORE THAN DRAFT PICKS-
In Year III of the Young-Mara era, the 1981 Giants, rising swiftly with Coach Ray Perkins, gained the playoffs for the first time in nearly two decades--since their 1963 team lost the title game to the Bears in Chicago.
In Year IV, they were poised to repeat when, suddenly, Perkins announced--with three games remaining--that he would be coaching Alabama the next season. Thanks coach!
The team lost its poise and collapsed, but Young did not. On the day that Perkins resigned, the general manager promoted Bill Parcells--although Perkins’ announcement caught him by surprise, and although, in theory, he could have waited three or four months before naming a replacement...
This is a feat no GM has done since....
When he first heard the news, Young was in Tulsa scouting football talent, serene in the belief that he and Perkins, his handpicked first choice for a football coach, would finish out the century together. Picking up the telephone, he told Wellington Mara and then Tim Mara that Parcells could do the job. Next, he flew home and told Parcells.
As Parcells sees it, coaches have only two functions.
“My first responsibility is to give (the team) a good offensive and defensive design,” he said.
“The one other thing that matters is getting them to do the things that are necessary to win.”
Phil Simms in 1979--Young’s first draft choice--and linebacker Lawrence Taylor in 1981.
In Young’s busy first three years with the Giants, he made hardly any bad picks.
“He laid the foundation with the drafts of ’79, ’80 and ’81,” said King, a former Newsday reporter now with Sports Illustrated.
Young’s specialty right along has been middle-round selections--tight end Mark Bavaro in the fourth round, wide receiver Lionel Manuel in the seventh, cornerback Perry Williams in the seventh, linebacker Gary Reasons in the fourth, safety Myron Guyton in the eighth, and so on.
What kind of players has Young brought in?
“The guys we look for are those who play well under pressure,” he said. “The winners in this league are self-motivated players.”
Maybe George's first miss was Eric Dorsey... I remember it well...
Feeling good about players from Notre Dame, Young selected DE Eric Dorsey in the first round. Dorsey was a gigantic man but failed to dominate the way the Giants had hoped, even though he stuck around for seven years.
Other than that, the rest of the draft was a success. They had four picks in the second round: CB Mark Collins, DT Erik Howard, LB Pepper Johnson and S Greg Lasker. They all would contribute to the team's first NFL Championship in 30 years.
This was not a good season for the Giants. A work-stoppage would derail their attempt at a repeat.
The draft yielded several useful players, who would end up as starters: WRs Mark Ingram and Steven Baker and T Doug Riesenberg.
1988 - George stumbles again but gets Jumbo...
The Giants rebounded as a playoff team. The draft was not a good one overall, but the Blue did get two starters for their OL: Eric Moore of Indiana and Jumbo Elliott of Michigan.
Moore did not pan out as well as the Giants thought he might, but Elliott was a beast. He ended up playing 14 seasons in the NFL.
1989 - They Call It A Comeback!- This is such a strange draft bunch of guys you may not of heard about each who had a really good career.
The Giants had a monster draft, considering they went 10-6 in 1988. The first round choice was a center—Brian Williams of Minnesota. Williams gave the club everything he had for the better part of the 1990's.
Bob Kratch, the second round pick, was just as good before leaving for New England via free agency in 1994. The rest of the draft would re-stock the Giants for their second Super Bowl run: S Greg Jackson of LSU, RBs Lewis Tillman and David Meggett, TE Howard Cross and DB Myron Guyton.
The Giants were ready to challenge for the title again after four years. Young grabbed Georgia RB Rodney Hampton with the 24th pick in the first round.
Hampton became the steady ball carrier the club had been craving. After an injury ended his rookie season, Rodney went on to become the Giants' all-time leading rusher until Tiki Barber passed him in 2004.
Mike Fox, the second round pick, was a 6'8" defensive lineman that was a solid performer for both the Giants and the Carolina Panthers. After the season, Parcells left the club. He was replaced by RB coach Ray Handley instead of Bill Belichick, who also left rather than work under the inferior Handley.
The Ray Handly Mistake.. This part of Giant history is never spoken of. It's like the devil child with horns and a habit of burning things that is kept in the dark wing of the mansion.
1991 - Bad draft drafted FB Jarrod Bunch of Michigan in the first round. Bunch did not have the speed nor the ability to compliment either Hampton or Meggett.
He was a bust. This might of been the first flat out bust of George's career.
The second rounder, LB Kanavis McGhee of Colorado, was also not up to snuff. Uh oh... signs of the History Teacher losing his touch? The only good player-WR Ed McCaffrey,
1992 - And the stumbles continue- Derrick Brown again Notre Dame<-- Did George have a fixation? Or Wellington?
Another big miss for Young—in the first round, anyway. TE Derek Brown of Notre Dame was taken #14 overall by the Giants, and simply just could not put it together.
The Giants ended up placing 3rd rounder Aaron Pierce ahead of him on the depth chart. The second round pick was CB Phillppi Sparks, who became a starter for the better part of his eight year Giants' career.
In the 4th round, the club chose DL Keith Hamilton of Pitt. Hammer became a mainstay on the Giants' DL for 12 seasons. Other players taken were LB Corey Widmer, DT Stacy Dillard and QB Kent Graham.
So Now George sort of gambles... It's The Dave Brown bet....
In June of 1992, he used the team's 1993 #1 to draft Duke QB Dave Brown in a supplementary draft.
This turned out to be a huge mistake. Brown was not any better than Graham, who Young got in the 8th round in April.
Imagine if you will Dave Gettelman just giving away a 1st round pick! You thought the LW stuff was out of bounds!
It was true that Phil Simms was getting old and the incoming coach—Dan Reeves—wanted a young QB to develop a la John Elway. He released Jeff Hostetler (one of many poor choices Reeves would make as coach) which led to Young's drafting of Brown.
1993 -With no first round selection on draft day, the team did not pick until #40 overall. Young made this one count.
He selected DE Michael Strahan with 40th overall pick. In the last round Young chose Miami's Jesse Armstead.
>>>>> You can see in total an incredible career and ability to spot talent. Even when things soured there were gems like Strahan to be found.... Ernie Accorsi's big takeaway from Young: "He used to always say that what we sell is credibility. You can never lose your credibility. No matter who lies to you, you can never lie back because once you lose credibility, that's it. George always had good judgment. He knew the right people to hire."
"He's one of the best GMs in the history of the league," Accorsi said. "We don't put GMs in the Hall of Fame like they do in baseball, but we should."
daytripper: NFT= non football topic? i didnt know that. im old and trying to keep up lol
Jan 23, 2020 10:35:16 GMT -5
56801steve: and he's staying as classless as he is
Jan 20, 2020 11:48:56 GMT -5
56801steve: so he'll pay a fine.
Jan 20, 2020 11:39:28 GMT -5
56801steve: he actually slapped a cops but, hard. he was 'lit up', but forgiveness isnt given for being drunk a bit.
Jan 20, 2020 11:39:18 GMT -5
rjb2006: The Eagles just made chicken salad with 1/2their team consisting of subs and practice squad players...
Dec 29, 2019 20:04:02 GMT -5
frateb: man, for a second i thought detroit was going to pull this one out... i think that would have given us a chance to get as low as 2nd again?
Dec 29, 2019 16:19:47 GMT -5
56801steve: i really like your signature, negative v positive outlooks.....its so true
Dec 29, 2019 16:10:20 GMT -5
UncleJoe10: I thought Buck Allen ran hard and would keep him aboard as a nice power running back up to Saquan.
Dec 16, 2019 17:16:56 GMT -5
bronxpinstripes: Danny Dimes solved the fumbling problem against the Packers by throwing 3 INTs instead.
Dec 2, 2019 11:05:46 GMT -5
rodney27: You're right about the fumbling problem, tl65taog. I just don't think it can be fixed. He had in preseason, has it at a record pace now, and had the same problem at Duke. If he hasn't fixed it in all that time...I just don't know if he can.
Nov 29, 2019 8:26:07 GMT -5
tl65taog: yes the fumbling problem has to be fixed, but you have to be fair about it
Nov 26, 2019 0:40:25 GMT -5
homerj45: Any other members go thru prostate cancer ?
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soullessnight: welcome to the board.
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GordonG: Have fun and be safe
Jun 22, 2019 13:34:10 GMT -5
lastnamejaded: Summer is here! Who's vacationing and where? I'll be doing a southern tour visiting Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee and Arkansas, hiking trails in every state.
Jun 10, 2019 11:01:04 GMT -5
gmenfan: Jeez - the original post was about Zeke Elliott.
May 23, 2019 14:39:51 GMT -5
homerj45: Normally I would ignore a post with arrived to camp with a helicopter but,,,,back at ya,,,
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